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Al'Kaera
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I started this because it was a topic on the recent Website and Forum Updates for February 2009. and we should have Chat/Forum Rules and Site Rules.

Rather than posting lenghty text here to start, I thought a link to some of the other forums that have personalized things in their own words might give us a BIG head start. Unless of course, the subject was already a done deal when we were over on phpBB. I have no knowledge of that.

So in your spare time, submit your comments/suggestions in this new Topic. Thanks

DPWR-Legal - Forum use Warning System

GoW Specification of GoW Leadership Structure
note: some very good words could be gleaned out of the massive structure statements.

GoG Forum Rules Plus there is a copyright statement and standard disclaimer at the bottom of their About the GoG which includes their Guild Seal

GoMa Code of Conduct from GoMa wiki,   Forum Rules and Sanctions plus some discussion/questions already thought of.

SOUP Slacker's Open Uru Project terms and Privacy Policy

Good start for now, maybe for good. lol if we can't come up with something that works for us, with these, maybe we need a Phone # to call. - Al'K

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Leonardo
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GoMa Docs are still online, althought there is no link to them, you can reach the wiki thru rel.to ( http://rel.to/gomawiki )

And here are all the documents, rules, etc of the Guild: http://www.guildofmaintainers.org/gomawiki/index.php/AboutGuild

Al'Kaera
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Thanks Leo, great help ! I updated the Topic with the GoMa wiki link.

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Szark
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se unió: Ene 12 2008

I thought we had some site rules already on the old site. I also thought I had saved them but it looks like I did not. Can't think of everything I suppose we will have to make some new ones.

Thanks Al'K for reading the update. :)

Szark
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Al'Kaera
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Thanks Szark, nice find. Do we have a warning system built into this site? Maybe that was an epiphany. I'll call Sophia.

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Leonardo
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Ok, as I said somewhere I've tried to make a draft of the Website Rules. I've taken some text from DPWR:

Guild of Messengers Website Rules

The main purporses of the Guild of Messengers (GoMe) website are to provide a place where the Myst/Uru community can find and submit all the latest news about all things Myst and to provide a place for all the Messengers to communicate and organize the Guild work.

These are the general rules of the Guild of Messengers Website, please follow them while submitting contents:
-The GoMe won't accept (and will delete or edit) any content containing vulgar language or, however, non-"Family Oriented" language.
-The GoMe won't publish any content related to illegal activities (e.g. copyright infringement, underground Uru shards/servers, etc)
-The GoMe won't publish any personal announcements related to buying and selling items (e.g. "Hi, I have an original copy or the first Myst episode and I want to sell it. the price is xxx$. First come, first served."). This doesn't apply to News from Cyan (e.g. "Cyan has released the new version of Riven for iPhone and iPod Touch at the price of 15$").
-For the rules about forum posts and chat behaviour please refer to *this*(link to Chat/forum Rules) document

However keep in mind that each submitted item will have to be approved by a Messenger and that the Guild Council may decide not to publish content if it goes against general moral or ethical laws or general Guild policy (i.e. things that we haven't thought about while writing this document).

Repeatedly and/or intentionally breaking the rules of this website are grounds for warnings (first, by PM) and banning (after *X* warning).

Warnings may be issued for any of the following:
- swearing
- spamming
- flaming
- tampering with the forum and website software to disrupt service or access for other users
- bypassing forum and website security measures
- serious spamming
- serious or regular swearing or vulgarity
- serious or regular flaming
- racial, religious, or sexually-oriented slurs

Please note, tampering with the website software or bypassing the security measures of this website will result in your account being banned IMMEDIATELY.  This ban is not contestable.

Please note that for 99.9% of the people here, this will have little application, as the staff is not warn-happy. Only intentional infractions of site policy will result in warnings being issued. We are not out to get anyone, and these rules are in place strictly to preserve the current environment and protect the members here from problem users and trolls.
 

I've tried to write it starting from the kind of posts we have already Rejected.

What do you all think?

I'll soon write the Forum/Chat Rules

 

Theremin
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se unió: Ago 18 2008

Leonardo wrote:
What do you all think?

 That's a dangerous question to ask me Leo!

It seems as though you've covered most things I could think of.

Nanouk_Metal
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Looks good to me.

Many thanks Leo.

Note: do you guys see my user name spilling over the post ?


Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

Thanks!

No, Nanouk it looks good to me, but these things are related to the resolution of our screen and the "zoom" you're using on the browser

Nanouk_Metal
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Leonardo wrote:

No, Nanouk it looks good to me, but these things are related to the resolution of our screen and the "zoom" you're using on the browser


 

Must be a bug with my new IE 8 version. Playing around with the zoom and/or resolution
does not fix it for me. (not very important)

Edit:
Zoom at 50 % /resolution at 1024X768 does work but I cannot read it.


Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

And here are the rules for Forum and Chat Rooms:

Guild of Messengers (GoMe) Forum and Chat Rules

These are the general rules for posting on the forums and chatting:

-No Cross Posting. Please do not start more than one topic (in the same OR different forums) with the same question or message.
-Post in the Appropriate Forum
-Don't use threads to carry on personal discussions and arguments, use PMs instead.
-Don't argue with the staff on site policy (however, we're always open to constructive criticism and discussion).
-No swearing, vulgarity or adult-only content. Keep the website "Family Oriented".
-No spamming.
-No flaming.
-Don't tamper with the forum and website software to disrupt service or access for other users.
-Don't try to bypass forum and website security measures.
-No racial, religious, or sexually-oriented slurs.
-We encourage freedom of speech. However, keep your words within the borders of these rules.
-The GoMe doesn't encourage or endorse illegal activities and doesn't want to be linked to them. Discussions are welcome but don't use the forum and chat as a base for developing and organising them (e.g. announcements, planning events on underground shards, etc).
-For any question or issue you can PM an Admin, a Moderator or a Council Member. You can easily recognise them by the badges they have under their names (Council Member: black square, Forum Moderator: blue square, Admin: red square).

For the general rules of the website (out of the Forum and the ChatRooms) click here(add link to the Web Rules).

 

 

Nanouk_Metal
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se unió: Mar 1 2008

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The rules for Forum and Chat Rooms:

Ok for me.


Marten
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se unió: Nov 8 2007

Those rules seem very thorough (both sets).  Although I know you don't want to spend a lot of time working on them - do you think you could say the same things with fewer words?

That's the only feedback I can offer.

 

Nanouk_Metal
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In fewer words Marten ?

Lets try this:
Marten has volonteered to be in charge for applying the rules.

We will trust his wisdom for deciding as we go along !  


Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

LOL Nanouk!!!

Theremin
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se unió: Ago 18 2008

@Marten and Leo:

No worries if you'd prefer not to use it!

Forum and Chat Rules
-No Cross Posting. No more than one topic in any forum(s) with the same question or message.
-Post in the appropriate forum
-Personal discussions and arguments should not be posted, use PMs instead.
-Site policy is non-debatable. For questions/discussion you can PM an Admin, a Moderator or a Council Member, denoted by the badges under their names (Council Member: black square, Forum Moderator: blue square, Admin: red square).
-No swearing, vulgarity, adult-only, or other questionable content. Keep the website "Family Oriented".
-No racial, religious, age, marital status, gender, or sexually-oriented slurs.
-No spamming or flaming.
-Tampering with webite/forum security or software will result in immediate expulsion.
-Discussions that promote or encourage illegal, unethical, or immoral activitues are prohibited.
-We encourage freedom of speech. However, keep your words within the borders of these rules.
-For the general rules of the website (out of the Forum and the ChatRooms) click here(add link to the Web Rules).

 

 

Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

That's a better rewording, thanks Theremin.

I have two comments:

I didn't want to make the site policy non-debatable on the forums; I just wanted to avoid arguments, when it comes to rules people could get angry. But if it's just discussion I think it's ok, let's stay as much open as possible.

I wanted to hear somebody else from the council (and also out of it) about the point of illegal activities. We don't want to publish them in the front page and in our RSS Feed, but do we want to prohibit any discussion about them on the forums too?
I don't want this forum to become a base for organising illegal activities but if it's just discussing them I wouldn't have any problem. (e.g. "Did you hear about the ***** underground shard. What do you all think?" or "I've seen some pics from that shard, I see they have some new Fan Created Ages down there! *post the pics*")

I'd leave the last paragraph on who to contact, let's make clear who people can contact if they need help with the forum.

Theremin
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se unió: Ago 18 2008

However you want to reword it is up to you Leo, I'm OK with being edited!

Al'Kaera
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Thanks Leo, Marten and Theremin and the rest...
I agree to Theremins shorter version of Forum/Chat rules, just as clear and to the point as Leo, just less reading.

 

As to Leo's two comments;

"I didn't want to make the site policy non-debatable on the forums; I just wanted to avoid arguments, when it comes to rules people could get angry. But if it's just discussion I think it's ok, let's stay as much open as possible."

 

The Site Policy and Forum/Chat rules CAN be debateable via PM. Anyone can take issue with the rules and submit their issue to any admin or council member via contact form, or PM. Then, we that discuss and decide on these matters, can work it over in a group PM and announce any agreements to a change, in the public forum.

If this position is agreed to by the rest of you, then a statement to this effect can be added to the Rules before they are put into effect.

And;
"I wanted to hear somebody else from the council (and also out of it) about the point of illegal activities. We don't want to publish them in the front page and in our RSS Feed, but do we want to prohibit any discussion about them on the forums too?"
I've read the GoMe email and can see someone has taken issue about the GoMe not publishing OR discussing 'allegedly' illegal activities, in particular the underground shards.
We are as professional as we can be in the production of our newpaper and the news that goes into it, and there is basis of how we control that, on our collective understanding and agreement of what's ETHICAL and/or LEGAL or NOT LEGAL.
So, I agree we don't 'advertise' on our site or RSS feed that these things are going on.  They can come up in our public forum for discussion, including, I guess, ad nauseum discussion by members of the community on WHY we reserve the right to publish or not publish whatever comes our way.

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Theremin
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se unió: Ago 18 2008

 My thoughts concerning the illegal/unethical activities was not to encourage people to participate in them. I feel we would probably consider publishing news of a sort that talked about an ISP closing down an unauthorized shard, and we probably wouldn't discourage a discussion as to the merits/drawbacks of illegal shards, provided they weren't telling people they should join them.

Nanouk_Metal
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Theremin wrote:
.... and we probably wouldn't discourage a discussion as to the merits/drawbacks of illegal shards, provided they weren't telling people they should join them.

or providing links to illegal shards on the GoMe forums.


Marten
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/thumbsup on the shorter rules.  I think not having a page-long list of rules helps to make a site more friendly.

Regarding the issue of rogue shards - I think the line on that has been drawn in a fair and reasonable manner.  We want to be reasonably neutral... but we also need to be reasonably ethical.  Letting a link to an unauthorized shard sit on our forum would be, in my opinion, as much of a problem as a link to a torrent with copyrighted material (a situation faced and dealt with at the GoMa and GoW forums some months ago).  And, I would expect us to treat the situation exactly the same even if we were otherwise on good terms with the people running such a shard.  What I am saying is, I think the decision today is easy... in the future it may not always be so easy, but I hope the guild will try to be consistent.

With Rel.to, I face this situation:  I cannot patrol the contents of the many other sites indexed by Rel.to, and so if someone mentions an unauthorized shard on his or her blog, I won't remove the link to the person's blog from Rel.to.  But, I will not be adding links to unauthorized shards directly to Rel.to.

Szark
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Pop his head up from the paper for a bit.  Yeah I agree Marten. I think that is a perfect compromise.

Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

All of this seems good.

Edited by forum moderator Nanouk
re: Name of an unnapproved shard.

Nanouk_Metal
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Has our contact person with Cyan confirmed this news with them ?


Marten
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Nanouk is right.  We should ask Cyan whenever we have a question about whether something is authorized or unauthorized.  That is the only way to be sure that any report we receive hasn't been misinterpreted or paraphrased in a way that changes its meaning.

Which person currently has the job of catching Cyan's ear?  Last time I checked, that was the job of the head of the liaisons, and so that would be Al'Kaera presently.

 

 

Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

 lol....I'm still here Marten!!! You gave YOUR chair to Al'k, not mine.

However, Szark was the Cyan Liaison. He stepped back from everything except Newspaper things, so I am the Cyan Liaison.

I'll contact Chogon to know more about this. Thank you for the advise 

Marten
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se unió: Nov 8 2007

Oops.  My mistake.

Well, thank you, Leonardo!

Leonardo
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se unió: Jun 19 2008

New draft

Quote:

Forum and Chat Rules

-No Cross Posting. No more than one topic in any forum(s) with the same question or message.
-Post in the appropriate forum
-Personal discussions and arguments should not be posted, use PMs instead.
-Site policy is non-debatable. For questions/discussion you can PM an Admin, a Moderator or a Council Member, denoted by the badges under their names (Council Member: black square, Forum Moderator: blue square, Admin: red square). Then, the GoMe staff will discuss and decide on the matter and announce any change, in the public forum.
-No swearing, vulgarity, adult-only, or other questionable content. Keep the website "Family Oriented".
-No racial, religious, age, marital status, gender, or sexually-oriented slurs.
-No spamming or flaming.
-Tampering with webite/forum security or software will result in immediate expulsion.
-Discussions that promote or encourage illegal, unethical, or immoral activities are prohibited. In particular, discussions about illegal activities (e.g. Underground shards) is allowed, but please don't post links or encourage people to join.
-We encourage freedom of speech. However, keep your words within the borders of these rules.
-For the general rules of the website (out of the Forum and the ChatRooms) click here(add link to the Web Rules)
-If any of your posts get deleted or edited you will receive a PM with the edited/deleted words along with the explanation of the reason for removing them.
-Moderators rules: threads and posts won't be deleted permanently except in extreme cases (i.e. pornography, spam).
-For any question or issue contact an Admin, a Moderator or a Council Member.

In particular, I'm going to create a "Trash" Forum visible to Mods and Admins where you can move threads and copy/paste deleted posts.

According to the rules, semplerfi's thread shouldn't have been deleted, just the link should have been removed and the discussion could have continued. I think Marten, Al'K and Theremin made this point clear, we seemed to have a consensus on this.

Same with the post of mine, it was only a word not a link or encouraging people to join.

Posts in the Submit News Forums may seem a bit special since they are suggestions for News Item. My catch on this is: if a post in that forum is rejected as News Item but it doesn't go against Forum Rules, we shouldn't post any News on the front page but the post can remain there.

Nanouk_Metal
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1- At the time, there was only one option available, to delete !
(forum moderator priviledges bug again ??? )

2- the idea of a "Trash forum" is excellent.